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Airbnb says this man does not exist. So I had coffee with him (pando.com)
184 points by antr on Dec 8, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 190 comments



I am intrigued by the antipathy that is often expressed toward Airbnb in the very circles where technological changes is heartily approved. Much of this antipathy is centered around the issue of persons who use the service to circumvent local laws and regulations governing hotel and rental units, with the complaint being that illicit profiteers should be suitably punished and (impliedly) so should those whose services allegedly abet them. This piece makes that complaint without stating it directly dramatizing the fact that such a person is there, in the flesh, exploiting the system, while stating that Airbnb wants to deny his existence.

Legally speaking, Airbnb is like YouTube and similar services in offering a service that is perfectly legal to do in proper cases and that can be done today to the immeasurable benefit of many in ways that could not even have been dreamed of in the pre-internet age. When the service is used legally and properly, it transforms how millions of people do things in their lives and does so for the better: in YouTube's case, as an outlet for video display and in Airbnb's, as a way of helping all sorts of people make more efficient use of their residential holdings. When the service is misused, however, others can be hurt: in YouTube's case, with persons posting and potentially profiting by infringing the copyrights of others; in Airbnb's, with persons attempting to circumvent laws regulating uses of commercial rental space. In each case, there is legitimate reason for many to complain of the misuses because they hurt people and people react to being hurt, and the law has measures in place to punish the direct malefactors in various ways. Yet what does this mean, legally speaking, for the provider of a lawful and, indeed, exceedingly useful service that is seen to profit in part from the activities of those who not only use their service legally but also from those who do not.

When you get to such cases, you arrive at the intersection of law with public policy. Unless one is to bar technological progress and the change that it brings altogether, one must devise rules to address the illegal uses that are bad while preserving incentives to promote the technological progress that is good.

In the case of YouTube, this was done through DMCA, which (whatever its other problems) did a pretty good job of setting up safe harbors that enable services such as YouTube to continue to do what they do without incurring liabilities for the wrongs of malefactors while at the same time requiring them to build in safeguards to protect the rights of those who might be hurt by their wrongs. This was not an easy task and even today the courts are sorting through the frictions occurring at the edges. But, though not perfect, the law has set up fundamental rules that, in the end, have managed to curb a good number of the wrongs while enabling a worthwhile service to survive and prosper.

In the case of Airbnb, the fights are occurring at the local level and are at an early stage. As the players sort through the policy issues, though, the same sort of primary issue needs to be addressed as happened with YouTube in the video streaming area: how can the rights of victims of third-party wrongdoers be protected without barring or significantly impairing the new-found value for many in using a great new service wrought by technological advances (and, of course, by the skills and talents of those who have built the service)?

I don't know the New York rental market at all and have nothing to say about how the issue is best resolved for the various persons affected by Airbnb's service there. I sense intuitively, though, that things like "15% across-the-board tax" are innately retrograde solutions that would serve to choke the beneficial and legal side of the service. Occasional users really are not in the business of providing hotel lodgings and it is a pretty big leap to say that they should be required to pay taxes as if they were. Or to require them to be subjected to liabilities and risks in ways that hotels are. These "solutions" are really just a way of governmental regulators, should they adopt the, acting on behalf of some narrow lobbing interest or other to choke a service that benefits countless others. They are overkill and would be the same as if Congress, at the federal level, had passed laws saying that YouTube-style services should be banned because they can facilitate copyright infringement that hurts others. That sort of "solution" would have been folly in our digital age and so too would any overkill-style governmental solution affecting any beneficial and innovative technologically-driven service that can come about by linking what people have to offer with what people need to use, and that includes Airbnb. Many other such services can easily follow (the "Airbnb for food" or the "Airbnb for whatever"). Do we really want to choke off the great benefits that can come from all this just because third-party abuses can arise.

The key to all this is to deal with the abuses while preserving the values conferred by the new services. If there is antipathy toward the wrongdoers, there is no basis for directing this to the innovators themselves. Why this should be happening among those who otherwise favor technological change is something that really baffles me. I for one commend Airbnb for what they are doing and for the benefits it can bring to many. If they make fortunes out of it all, so much the better. The potential third-party abuses do need to be dealt with so that innocent people are not harmed. But they need to be dealt with in narrow ways focused on the actual problems, not in blunderbuss fashion that is short-sighted and, in the long run, harmful to us all.


Somehow, every other VRBO site (such as VRBO.com) manages to comply with local laws. AirBnB doesn't--by choice. It refuses to comply with local laws because this lets it avoid the costs of compliance. Ultimately, AirBnB's competitive edge over its competitors is simply regulatory arbitrage.

This is why AirBnB generates such apathy. Take the regulatory arbitrage away and AirBnB isn't a technical startup or a market disruptor; it's just another VRBO site with pretty CSS.

They are overkill and would be the same as if Congress, at the federal level, had passed laws saying that YouTube-style services should be banned because they can facilitate copyright infringement that hurts others.

No, completely different, and as a lawyer you know this. Local issues are valid concerns for local laws. If New York wants to pass an across the board tax on temporary rentals, it is absolutely not the same as if Congress passed a country-wide ban on Youtube-style service.

The key to all this is to deal with the abuses while preserving the values conferred by the new services. If there is antipathy toward the wrongdoers, there is no basis for directing this to the innovators themselves.

Existing laws already do this. And as a business that injects itself into the market governed by such laws, AirBnB has taken on the burden of complying with such laws. Moreover, AirBnB isn't an innovator--it's a copycat. The only innovation AirBnB provided was sub-unit rentals (i.e., just a room or a couch), which is no longer the mainstay of its business.


From what I've seen I agree with your first point. AirBnB is more like The Pirate Bay than YouTube.


The illegal hotel use in my neighborhood was primarily offered on VRBO.


Let them know. My building had an issue with a unit being offered through VRBO.com and AirBnB despite COA rules against it. VRBO.com took the posting down after I sent them a complaint with a copy of our COA rules, and they flagged it in their system so it couldn't be reposted. AirBnB did nothing, and the listing is still there. (However, the COA has since seized the unit and changed the locks since the unit owner failed to pay his COA dues or provide proof of property insurance, so any person trying to rent the unit through AirBnB will be SOL.)


That was not a legal option in our case, the covenants upon the Deed of Title were not enforceable by the impacted neighbors because an interest in the legal person that sold the lots did not convey with the lot - i. e. there was no HOA or COA. Instead, covenant enforcement would have required locating the heirs or successors of the' legal person' who platted the neighborhood and their goodwill toward enforcing covenants some thirty five years later, assuming such use was against the covenants upon the Deed of Title.

Our case was not a private dispute, or rather it was intractable as one, and in any event the use was illegal. Thus it took overcoming the normal bureaucratic wall of mud at the enforcement arm of the city zoning department and eventually offering testimony before Judge Jim* in Municipal Court on a Tuesday afternoon last spring.

*Judge Jim had been the Miss June's diforce attorney several years before his election And a fellow Rotarian of another testifying neighbor.


In all of those details, I don't see any indication that VRBO continued a listing that it knew to be illegal. Sometimes the legal process just takes a long time. Short-circuiting the process doesn't serve the interests of justice.


I rarely use airbnb because it's so hard to find non-couch-surfing situations. And I think you are clearly understating the ingenuity and improvements that airbnb has brought to the industry.


> Take the regulatory arbitrage away and AirBnB isn't a technical startup or a market disruptor; it's just another VRBO site with pretty CSS.

Apparently a lot of people are attracted to AirBnB for this very reason. This shows how badly regulations affect so many different kinds of markets.


Or how badly people in this market care for laws.


You may be guilty of making a false equivalency between YouTube and AirBnB. Both are online, both are operating in legal grey zones. That does not mean antipathy toward one must necessarily be the same as antipathy toward another. Copyright might have been overdue for a significant rethinking. That doesn't mean that property rights are equivalently overdue.

AirBnB threatens a vastly wider swath of people than YouTube ever did. If you don't understand why people do not want to share a neighborhood or a residential tower with transients, perhaps you've never had to deal with the fallout and quality of life issues. Ever had to deal with bedbugs? I think I'd rather be stabbed and spend a day in the ER than have to deal with them again.


Unlike YouTube, which has tons of legitimate uses for folks uploading their own content, Airbnb is basically built on the illegal uses in its major markets like NYC. The places in NYC on Airbnb that are illegal aren't some annoying minority. Every single offering on Airbnb that is for less than 30 days and is not operated by a licensed hotel is illegal. Every single one. Unlike YouTube which has significant legitimate uses in all markets based on original content (and is a majority of what YouTube is used for), Airbnb has no legal uses in NYC for sublets of less than 30 days.

If Airbnb wanted to operate legally and protect the rights of its legitimate customers while still preventing illegal activities (as you are suggesting they do), it would only permit rentals of 30 days or more unless the 'host' has a hotel license and the proper permits. The simple fact is that Airbnb knows its business in NYC is nearly entirely built on illegal rentals and doesn't care.


A not-insignificant portion of airbnbs business is host-present which is legal in NYC.


Ah, I didn't realize that Airbnb scored that narrow legal victory on appeal (which may still get challenged) in September. So, for the moment, own room and shared room rentals are legal in NYC as long as the owner is present the entire time the 'guest' (renter) is there.

A quick search for a room in Manhattan for a single weeknight next week shows that:

Shared room: 116 Own room: 819 Entire place: 911

My original point stands, though. About 1/2 of Airbnb listings in NYC are illegal and Airbnb is fully aware of that fact yet still profiting from it. If, as the original comment claimed, Airbnb was interested in operating full legally, they could simply disallow "Entire Place" listings in NY for less than 30 days if the 'landlord' does not have a hotel license.


About 1/2 of Airbnb listings in NYC are illegal and Airbnb is fully aware of that fact yet still profiting from it.

Good. We should all strive to break at least 2 or 3 "laws" a day. It builds character.

It's also good for reminding the jack-boots who run the government that We The People are still the ultimate source of political power and that we aren't going to just roll over and accept their totalitarian bullshit.


The government is we the people, the jack-boots are a reflection of us chosen from among us. This us vs them thing is childish, we are them and they are us. This totalitarian bullshit exists because we mostly like it that way, if we didn't it wouldn't be so. Blame your fellow citizens rather than this made up them you've invented.


You seem to be an example of me, 5 years ago, when I believed all the rules and laws were there because that's what "the people" wanted and not how society and laws are actually put in place, and for what purpose...

A healthy skepticism of the status quo would do you good in life.


I do quite fine in life thank you, and it's never about what the people want and never has been, it's about what the people allow. The government is made up of the people, it's not us vs them, it's just us.


The government is we the people, the jack-boots are a reflection of us chosen from among us

Talk about childish... sheesh. That might be true in principle, but in practice it's anything but. There is plenty of evidence that our government does not reflect the "will of the people" in many areas, and that's even IF you accept the idea that "the will of the people" means anything and conveniently overlook the "tyranny of the majority".

Don't give me this crap that our government has some sort of legitimacy just because we go through the charade of voting and what-not every so often.


No one said anything about the will of the people or legitimacy, but since you're unable to respond to what I actually said and clearly are just repeating some anti-government rant you're accustomed to barfing out, I won't waste my time.


No one said anything about the will of the people or legitimacy

Didn't they? Hmmm...

respond to what I actually said

Glad to see that you aren't actually interested in digging deeper and examining issues that lie underneath the surface. Sure, let's all be pedantic twits and focus on the words and not the meaning. That'll make everything better!


Yes, it would make everything better because people like you would stop being so presumptuous as to think you're a better judge of what I mean than me. The world needs more pendants and less of you.


Right. And we the people don't want other people turning our apartment buildings -- our homes we live in -- into hotel rooms with the associated noise, security, privacy, and sanitation issues. That's why we have these laws in place.


Contracts can handle all of those issues quite well. Clearly if you own a building, and I lease a room from you, I lease it under terms you set. Violating those terms would be a breach of contract and valid grounds for terminating said contract... I doubt much of anybody would contest that.

But, OTOH, to suggest that we need a law against it, and to bring to bear the weight of "government" and the threat of force backed by men (many men) with guns (big guns), over sub-letting a room? Pure hogwash.


Yet the temporary housing market in NYC (and probably in other places) is deeply, fundamentally broken-on-purpose. Public perception attributes this to the actions of a hated group of entrenched stakeholders (landlords/hoteliers/etc) who use their economic power to buy political muscle and distort the market to screw the common man.

This public perception is perhaps near-isomorphic with reality in the most extreme cities, which is precisely where AirBnB is the strongest. Regulatory objections aside, this suggests they are a boots-on-the-ground solution to a real pain point.

At what point must the law be recalibrated to follow norms and good sense?


Airbnb creates the painpoint of a hotel business being created in our apartment builds - our homes that we live in - against our will (and against the law, the lease we signed, and the lease the offender signed), with all of the noise, sanitation, safety, and privacy issues that go along with it. It's a destructive practice that comes at the expense of the folks who actually live here.


[In typical US local jurisdictions]

The difference between AirBnB and YouTube is obvious. There are vast arrays of ways in which the average person can use YouTube without any question that such uses are legal.

Conversly, there are very few ways in which the average person - whether renter or rented, can use AirBnB in a way that is unquestionably legal. Few local jurisdictions allow the sort of transactions AirBnB is built upon facilitating, and even fewer allow such use without at least some minimal regulatory oversight such as business licenses and tax reporting.

The reason is the same as for other land use issues, adjoining and nearby properties are effected and real property cannot be moved. Transient lodging uses place unique stresses on a community, and their benefits tend not to accrue to nearby properties with orthogonal uses.

The better analogy would be Craigslist if Craigslist only advertised prostitution related material. Then we would stop pretending that there is wide spread legality and focus in on whether existing laws make sense, and striving to change them where they don't.


grellas writes: > When you get to such cases, you arrive at the intersection of law with public policy.

you replied: > The better analogy would be Craigslist if Craigslist only advertised prostitution related material.

My, what a big hammer you have! We've now equated avoidance of hospitality taxes on a legal and moral scale with facilitating prostitution. I'm all for the rule of law, but these days that means keeping as close an eye on the law itself as for potential lawbreakers.

Your big hammer, of course, completely dodges the nuance that grellas was getting to. Laws are created and implemented in a context. What we'be seen in recent decades with the MP3 revolution, Uber, YouTube, and ostensibly services like AirBnB are business models that are matched poorly to existing law and precedent. That is, the context has changed. Neither extreme -- throwing out The Law entirely, nor draconian implmentation of The Law -- is really a suitable response in most cases. I think Uber is a particularly relevant example, as it's been thrust directly into the midst of innovating in an existing class of business, occasionally at odds with local laws, regulations, and incumbent businesses.

To this situation, AirBnB has put forth its case that it facilitates uptake of temporarily vacant lodgings. There are good arguments as to the social benefit this provides. Imagine where AirBnB and similar services are so successful that they curb construction of dedicated hotel space. As a society we've then managed to curb unnecessary resource use. I would argue that truly occasional use of the service in this regard has little to no impact on the associated community.

However, I also agree with your comments about transient lodging and its impacts on communities. There've been a few good essays on this problem in the NYC area in recent years, but from the angle of transient owners. IMO, The Man Who Doesn't Exist falls clearly into the category of "transient facilitator". There's not even the ostensible intent to live in these properties, damn the excess, but just to use them as part of a business strategy. And there's our nuance. Some users of AirBnB are engaging in activity that steps over the line. But the law currently doesn't have any nuance to distinguish between AirBnB's stated business model and the occasional "transient facilitator" using the service.

And thus the earthquakes at the fault line between law and society's shifts rolls on.


Hotel laws were implemented to prevent exactly the sort of services AirBnB offers.

The change in context is only that in the modern age, it is easier to advertise illegal services and get away with it.

AirBnB could ban all the illegal postings from their site, and they choose not to.


Amongst other things, I think a fair number of us have had asshole neighbors, at one point or another -- or several.

Any service that appears to increase that likelihood, I will oppose.

And no, I don't think it should be up to me to individually invest in pursuing each and every case -- particularly when there may be a new case every few days or weeks or I don't know when.

Real, stable tenants (hopefully) have an investment in keeping or finding peace with their community. Or, they can be compelled to do so.

Hotels cost more. Some of that may be "bad", but there is also a reason -- it costs more to deal effectively with transient populations.

From my perspective.

P.S. There is also the security factor. I don't want to live in a "hotel" where the faces change every day and I end up not knowing what the fuck is going on.

P.P.S. And bedbugs. Etc.


> Legally speaking, Airbnb is like YouTube and similar services in offering a service that is perfectly legal to do in proper cases

Is there actually a legal use case? I can imagine that this law is virtually unenforceable against private individuals renting out a spare room for a few days, but I suspect it still (notionally) applies.


My antipathy towards AirBNB comes because my experiments using AirBNB exposed me to:

- hosts using fake names - hosts using fake addresses - hosts giving deeply inaccurate descriptions - hosts telling me that the super might swing by, and I should introduce myself as (some other name) friend of (another name I'd never heard) if I ran into him. - neighbors of the unit giving me the stink eye, presumably because of what other guests had done.

My personal experience leads me to believe that AirBNB is, at it's heart, a platform that is built to create negative externalities. The processes in place to correct these issues are non-existent, which indicates to me that AirBNB knows this, and does not care.


> The Man Who Does Not Exist tells me he is a libertarian, an Ayn Rand disciple, and, in the parlance of Silicon Valley, views himself a disrupter.

Making money by breaking regulations and lease terms is hardly the stuff of the heroic inventor. What other criminals count as "disrputers"? Insider traders? Identity thieves? Insurance fraudsters?

This guy is sociopath and I hope he ends up in prison.


> He considers himself a New York entrepreneur who wants to make a buck and doesn’t have much patience for what he views as arbitrary rules and regulations, such as those that govern renting apartments to Airbnb subscribers.

I don't see how this guy is any different from Airbnb itself (or other disruptive-and-dubiously-legal operations like the various digital gypsy cab companies).


He's not very different from AirBnB.

He breaks the law directly. AirBnB merely induces its customers to break the law. In both cases, they're bad actors.


airbnb is a bad actor? Come on. It's not nearly that simple.

The Helsinki Design Lab (HDL), a governmental agency originally created in 1968 to encourage design thinking in Finland, engaged in an interesting study. In Helsinki, there's an unofficial day where historically, citizens have essentially opened illegal restaurants for the day. They sell out of homes and apartments and open windows, or often just give it away for free. Obviously all of this is highly illegal, but it's an amazing cultural experience that is beloved.

HDL polled some of the people who created these pop-up restaurants, trying to figure out whether they had any interest in openning real restaurants. The answer was an overwhelming no.

So the lab set out to answer an interesting question: "Why is it that none of these people who open free restaurants for a day -- these entrepreneurs who clearly love the essence of serving and creating food -- why is it that they find it such a ridiculous proposition to open a business?"

It's a good question and worth asking.

Here was a result of that investigation (among other things, such as streamlining the bureaucracy around registering and managing the business):

http://www.helsinkidesignlab.org/dossiers/open-kitchen

You say AirBnb is a "bad actor" for breaking the law, and I say that that's incredibly unimaginative. Every single person on airbnb wants to open a hotel, but they frankly disengage from the formal process, likely for valid reasons. AirBnb is helping to identify that this is a problem that needs solving.


> Every single person on airbnb wants to open a hotel, but they frankly disengage from the formal process, likely for valid reasons.

I wouldn't say they guy in the article wants to run a hotel. Running a hotel is hard work with ordinary margins. HFT (in all likihood exaggerated day trading), illigaly importing iPads to France and running an illigal airbnb business all strike me as someone looking to get rich quick. Drug dealing would fit in better than running a legit hotel.


As someone who has started a business myself, let me say that there's a big difference between doing it for one day and doing it long term, and also a big difference between passionately wanting to do it and the day-to-day long-term reality. Not just because of obscure regulations. And if you've ever got food poisoning from a restaurant, you'd understand why we have some of those regulations.


Plenty of organizations in the US have bake sales to raise money. People donate baked goods and they are sold to the public for a profit.

These people don't want to open a hotel, they are doing it illegally because it is easy money without having to do all the hard parts. No pesky tax forms, no regulators sniffing around, no employees to have to pay payroll taxes to. I'm guessing he probably hires some illegals or homeless people under the table to clean the place and pays them in cash. That's like saying all drug dealer want to open a store, and would if drugs were legal.


This doesn't follow. AirBnB does what it does. The laws in each and every area do what they do. There is no need for them to overlap, nor does a legal entity taking a position against AirBnB's potential customers make them a 'bad actor'in the general sense.


I appreciate the concept of disobeying unjust laws, but I don't think hotel taxes are a valid example.


You also have to also ask why it is that these arbitrage opportunities exist in the first place. It seems to me that the fact that these folks exist is essentially the market arguing that there are inefficiencies in government regulation of the hotel industry. Perhaps the government shouldn't be implementing arbitrary taxes to direct to the politically connected.


The fact there are arbitrage opportunities are precisely the reason the regulations exist.

The problem is that the market equilibrium would be really bad for residents. You have to stop and think about what there being no such opportunity would mean: housing in these areas is in scarce supply, and letting the market do its thing would incentivize people to convert rooms to full-time hotels at the expense of people who actually live there (since the true market value of a room is much higher than the average rent; in other words, your arbitrage opportunity), which will in turn reduce the supply of apartments available for residents, thus making rent even more expensive than it is right now for the few that will be able to afford it.

I agree the regulations are not perfect, but people have to understand it comes from a conscious political decision to protect residents. And this by the way is why you need a government to create such rules, because contrary to what people like the man in this article might think, the market equilibrium is not always the most desirable situation.


But the regulations cannot stop anything. They only introduce additional costs that distort the natural behavior of the market. And since everything in the market is connected, often in ways we do not understand, regulations produce odd behavior and unexpected consequences.

The rent is too danged high because the supply of rentals is too danged low with respect to market demand. If hotel demand is high enough to cut that far into regular rentals, that just means there aren't enough purpose-built hotels. The regulation chooses to protect long-term residents at the expense of visitors and owner-investors.

Why are they less valued people? Because NYC has a very high renter and owner-occupier population, and they vote. And does it even truly protect them?

People should be able to dispose of their own property as they see fit, without undue intrusion from uninterested third parties. This sort of liberty is sometimes inconvenient for other people, but when those people choose to restrict the ability of other people to enjoy the ownership of their property, they do the same to themselves. And all those petty infringements on freedom add up to undermine one's sense of control over his own life.

Attacking rogue AirBnB users may satisfy shortsighted political goals, but removing artificial barriers to new housing construction would be better for everyone in the long term.

That said, the guy from the article is a dick that engages in willful fraud on a daily basis. NYC is right to go after people like him, but not at the expense of solving the underlying problem that produces such people as a symptom.

Price is high because the cost to produce additional supply is high. Period.


> But the regulations cannot stop anything.

Regulations can and do stop lots of things. If the regulations don't stop anything, then why do they 'distort the natural behavior of the market'?

You can't claim that regulation is ineffective at affecting behavior while decrying its distortive effects at the same time.


> Why are they less valued people? Because NYC has a very high renter and owner-occupier population, and they vote.

Isn't that normal and just? People want something to happen, and they formalize this as law rather than applying mob violence, which is a Good Thing.

> People should be able to dispose of their own property as they see fit, without undue intrusion from uninterested third parties. This sort of liberty is sometimes inconvenient for other people, but when those people choose to restrict the ability of other people to enjoy the ownership of their property, they do the same to themselves. And all those petty infringements on freedom add up to undermine one's sense of control over his own life.

What you do with your property affects those around you; there's no god-given fundamental right to use your building for whatever you want to. We have things like zoning regulations for a reason - because we voted for them, because we wanted them.

> removing artificial barriers to new housing construction would be better for everyone in the long term.

I think everyone is in favour of new housing construction, but there's only so much Manhattan to go around. The choice is not between new houses and no new houses, or hotels and no hotels; it's between residential housing and hotels, and it's right that that choice be made democraticly.


Refreshing to see such a clear and reasoned repudiation of the usual naive 'free market is king' nonsense.


    which will in turn reduce the supply of apartments
    available for residents
If the cities allow new construction the supply should expand to match the increased demand, creating jobs in the process.


Manhattan is extremely construction-friendly. There are, however, limits. It's already an extremely developed city, so there's no real empty space left. Any construction will involve buying out existing owners/tenants, demolition, and replacement.

This is happening, but naturally is not fast. There are reasons why you wouldn't someone to demolish a skyscraper in the middle of Manhattan without oversight.

Adding to this problem is the state of infrastructure. Manhattan streets are packed, and most subway lines also. There is currently a proposal to up-zone the area directly around Grand Central and raise the height limits. This is a great thing, except all subway lines feeding Grand Central are already operating past peak capacity. Creating this extra space is pointless (and in fact detrimental) unless there is infrastructure ready to support it.

There are already infrastructure projects in place to alleviate this, but digging tunnels through bedrock is understandably not a fast affair. The East Side Access project will connect Penn Station and Grand Central, and alleviate some of the traffic at both. Adding to the complexity here is that Manhattan's underground is already filled with tunnels of all varieties, forcing new projects to tunnel ever deeper, with requisite cost and slowness.

The world is complicated, city planning is complicated. This isn't software where we can just deploy a new server - apartments, offices, subway lines, streets, sewers, power plants, cannot be willed into existence at a whim.


Do you live here? Because there are lots of empty lots and there are tons of under-developed areas. I don't know why you believe "Manhattan is extremely construction-friendly"; it's certainly not 'construction-friendly' enough so that there are numerous affordable housing options. Some crazy number of housing units are under either rent control or rent stabilization. The housing dynamic here is insane.


I do live here. I know of exactly one substantial empty lot in Manhattan - just south of the UN building. I still wonder what the plan is there.

Hell, the biggest development project going on right now involves building on top of a train yard. This does not suggest an availability of actual empty land.

> "and there are tons of under-developed areas"

And yes, that's precisely what I referring to when I mentioned that any new development would have to involve demolition and replacement. Replacing a 15-story apartment complex with a 45-story apartment complex may be a good idea, but first you'd have to buy out all the owners in the building.

That sort of thing is neither simple nor fast.

The infrastructure problem exists still also. Spanish Harlem can be argued to be underdeveloped - and we can surely replace those buildings with tall apartment complexes... except the 4/5/6 subway is already massively oversubscribed. You can build apartments there, but said residents won't be able to get to work. The 2nd Ave Subway is supposed to alleviate a lot of this pressure, but we all know how fast that is going.

Same goes for basically all of Upper Manhattan - there are plenty of opportunities to replace buildings, but not enough infrastructure to move people around. Transportation (like most cities) is the biggest developmental bottleneck.

> " it's certainly not 'construction-friendly' enough so that there are numerous affordable housing options."

You've missed the entire point of my post. "Construction friendliness" is not Manhattan's bottleneck. Lack of infrastructure, and systemic slowness inherent in building replacement (read: buying out existing stakeholders) are. For all intents and purposes, Manhattan is "friendly enough".

There is a building that's finally going up near me in the Lower East Side - a replacement of an old walkup. The owners in the old building resisted sale for a long time, as it would involve displacing them, plus they (rightly) speculated that their property value would continue to increase. The solution at the end of the day is to offer existing owners a brand new (albeit small) apartment in the new building. Not only did it cost the builders money to demolish and erect the new building, but also to buy out the old owners and give them part of the new property for free. Things like this are why Manhattan is replacing buildings so slowly, not because Manhattan is somehow opposed to development.


Please, visit Istanbul sometime. It follows those rules pretty closely. But don't just visit the historical districts -- visit the neighborhoods where there's a random skyscraper in the middle of otherwise low-rise residential. Nearly everyone gave up on building attractive buildings.

There is a character to a city, and it is easy to destroy the things that make them worth living in.


Manhattan has somewhat limited space for new construction.


Manhattan could re-zone to permit a great deal more construction, but it is unlikely to happen.

First, residents strongly oppose it.

Second, much of the transport system is maxed out. Building more housing or office space would only overburden systems operating at capacity. (e.g. the west side highway, fdr drive, lexington avenue subway line are all unusably crowded)


What is the zoning like in Manhattan? I see intermingled residential/office/commercial spaces everywhere I go (heck, my last office was in the same building as apartments, with a store-turned-restaurant on the ground floor), so I didn't realize there were zoning restrictions in that sense.


lots and lots of historic districts

there are crippling height restrictions all over the place, and you have to buy un-used "air rights" from your neighbors to build anything taller than what already exists in the neighborhood

environmental impact studies (weirdly) can be used against projects

local "community boards" have a lot of power

and the aforementioned centrally imposed limits on development -- the city's top-level boards may not like what you're doing to transportation


Or if new construction is impossible, they could also encourage companies and residents to relocate somewhere else, thus reducing the congestion burdens on those who remain.

But what city with taxing authority would ever do this? As long as cities can take revenue from everyone regardless of their satisfaction with the city, there is a perverse incentive to oversubscribe city services. Since they are a monopoly over their whole territory, it is the same pressure as upon telecoms to add more customers without building out infrastructure.


He's violating contracts he signed, not only government regulations. These contracts are in place specifically because the market demands them. Most people don't want to live in a condo building that also includes DIY hotel rooms. Taking this into account, condo developers usually include clauses in the sales contract where your more or less agree not to turn your condo into a hotel room. This allows them to reassure prospective purchasers that such a scenario won't happen.

That's why the person in this story not only needs to avoid the government, but also private-sector contract enforcement. Hence, he's looking for buildings with no doorman and no live-in super, since those would be more likely to notice his illicit activity. I don't see how that's libertarian or even Randian. Rand's view was that violating a contract is an act of indirect violence, essentially theft.


>>"These contracts are in place specifically because the market demands them."

The devil's advocate here would say, "These contracts are in place because the market is rigged here by powerful, entrenched, rent-seeking interests that are colluding."


The FREEEDOM!!! argument only works for landlords who own the whole building and are running a hotel without following the hotel laws.

People who are subletting in violation of thier lease terms or co-op/condo agreement are not only breaking the law but also willfully breaching contracts they have freely agreed to. I thought that libertarians considered negotiated contracts a key mechanism of ordering a society?


I'm not a libertarian, so I can't speak on OP's argument, but in NYC the ability for renters to sublet their apartments is enshrined by law, and technically any contract that doesn't allow subletting is breaking said law (which, if I remember correctly (and IANAL), makes that clause of the contract void, but not the rest of the contract).


Subletting is well regulated too... yes, renters have the right to sublet, but they also have a set of restrictions on the process. For example, you can't sublet for less than 30 days, which would make the entire thing unusable for AirBnB. And if the apartment is rent controlled, then you have another set of regulations.


Ooh, my inner Scheme programmer likes nested parentheses in a post!

I believe NYC forbids short-term sublets - that's the big issue here. Plus the taxes, of course.


You can also take advantage of the arbitrage opportunities created by the regulations against selling cigarettes and beer to minors and make a tidy profit. A similar opportunity exists for all sorts of waste disposal, if you ignore all the pesky environmental regulations.


the fact that these folks exist is essentially the market arguing that there are inefficiencies in government regulation of the hotel industry

The "inefficiency" you've spotted is that a business which ignores all rules, regulations and taxes will have a huge competitive advantage over those who comply. That's true in any industry, not just housing.


By that argument, tax evasion of any kind is a symptom of "inefficiencies in the government regulation of income". Just because someone has a financial incentive to violate the law, doesn't mean that the law is bad.


Is "inefficiencies in government regulation" code for taxes?


> This guy is sociopath and I hope he ends up in prison.

Woah, that escalated quickly. This type of comment is more what I would expect from a sociopath then the mostly harmless individual described in this article. Don't you have any empathy for him? Have you considered that the author might not have depicted him in an accurate way? Don't you think prison would be a disproportionate punishment for his alleged crimes? Geez, the world is not black and white.


People go to prison for tax evasion pretty regularly. This guy seems to be deliberately evading the NYC hotel tax on many transactions per year.


While I think your final statement is rather vitriolic, I do agree the article styling him an "entrepreneur" or "disrupter" is ridiculous.

He is a step or two above a drug dealer. That's about where I would land him.


would you have said the same about a speakeasy bartender during the prohibition era?


Surely such a person would be literally on the level of a drug dealer?


And is this guy a terrorist or a freedom fighter?

It can be very hard to tell.


Somewhere between the bartender and the owner.


Your moral values a complete replica of the state?


I think you're conflating morality and legality. How does breaking regulations make him a sociopath? Who is he harming?

In what world is renting an apartment, albeit against regulation and terms of the lease, an offense ANYWHERE NEAR insider trading, identity theft, or insurance fraud?

Am I missing something?


* He is defrauding his landlords. They rented him property on the understanding that it was a legal and low-risk engagement.

* He is hurting the neighbors to the properties he re-rents. They arranged to live in residential neighborhoods adjacent to other semi-permanent residents, not an illegal hotel. Hotels are not found in charming residential neighborhoods for a reason: nobody wants to live next to them.

* He is evading taxes that are used to improve new yorkers' quality of life at little/no expense to local residents.

* Insurance fraud is a probable consequence of his business. Since it's hard to get commercial insurance for your illegal venture, if he has ANY insurance, it would be a renter's policy and maybe a personal umbrella policy. Any claims he made would be fraudulent.


"used to improve new yorkers' quality of life at little/no expense to local residents"

Well, except for the losses from non-visitors who avoid cities with outrageously high "let's rip off our guests" taxes.

Those people may not be directly visible, but I assure you they are real.


if a 15% hotel tax is what steers you away from one of the world's preeminent tourist destinations, I'm not sure that you were going to add much to the local economy.

(To be a little less snarky, the microeconomics of the situation indicate it's probably not that damaging. Your hotel stay is probably less than half of your costs of visiting, so a 15% markup on that component alone doesn't raise the overall price of a trip very much.)


There are more premier tourist destinations in the world than I'll ever have time to visit in my lifespan.


It's not like there's a shortage of people who want to go to new york and can spare the extra 15% though, is it? The city was packed to the rafters long before Air BnB came along to 'disrupt' everything.


Heh, I'm surprised there have been no New Yorkers yet chiming in to say "good riddance". Most New Yorkers -- in my experience -- seem to share the sentiment that there are too many tourists already.


I think comparing it to identity theft or insurance fraud is a bit extreme, but the harm is real. There are many reasons why certain buildings are not allowed to operate as hotels - just a few off my head:

- Bedbugs. They're at pandemic levels in NYC, and the more volume of people moving in/out of a place the more likely you are to get them. Hotels are required to mitigate the bedbug threat with a level of thoroughness that simply is impossible unless the building owner is aware that there's a hotel operating under their roof. I would be mighty pissed if I found a AirBnb in my building, as that dramatically raises everyone's risk of infestation.

- Noise. Particularly in neighborhoods like mine that are restaurant and bar districts, where a large part of the attraction of the location is the ability to stumble home directly from an innumerable number of bars. Temporary residents have no incentive to keep things reasonable. Whenever this point is brought up you get a few anecdotal stories about "the British family that was sooooo quiet", but no mention of the rest of the time where we'd have to put up with the noise.

- Security. I live in a small pre-war building with 20 units. I've met literally every one of my neighbors. This building isn't Fort Knox - once you're inside the main door it doesn't take Harry Houdini to break into any one apartment. Real hotels have security cameras, personnel on-site, and much more elaborate locks on doors... we do not.

These are real risks and real harm happening to neighbors of guys like this. His actions have a negative impact. While calling him a sociopath might be a tad extreme, it certainly isn't completely without merit.

None of these problems are unsolvable - but they are unsolvable unless the hoteling party is operating in the open. If we're going to allow people rent out their apartments in a pseudo-hotel manner, then the neighbors, the building owner, and the city needs to know about it in order to mitigate all of the above.


AFAIK Houdini only broke out of places, not into them.


If he has the attitude that "the law applies to other people, but not to me", he might very well be a sociopath.

And if you think that insider trading is a serious crime, why shouldn't tax evasion (he doesn't pay NYC hotel tax), which deprives needy people of city services or causes law-abiding people to pay higher taxes, be a real crime?


Yeah, I hate the fact that his actions will have for consequence to even increase the rents and real estate prices in New York, which, from what I heard, are already expensive enough.


He seems fairly dislikable and he is probably on the wrong side of the law, but what possible benefit would prison be here?


It might be of benefit to neighbors he is bothering, and by extension anyone else who will be forced to bear the brunt of externalities he similarly ignores in the future.


If it is externalities that you are worried about, the externalities from him being in prison are likely to be far higher than the externalities of him trying to rent out a few apartments.

I don't agree with the guy, but I also suspect he may have a point about some of the regulations being over prescriptive.

Also, I think that believing that this guy should be in prison for these actions is far more sociopathic than anything this article claims that this guy is doing.


The costs of punishment almost always exceed the cost of the individual action. The question is the cost of enforcement in total versus the prevented cost in total, including both the costs that would be caused by this guy and the costs that would be caused by others that are deterred by the credible threat of enforcement.

Having said that, I am extremely sympathetic to the notion that NYC markets may be over-regulated, and have mixed feelings about the notion that evasion is an appropriate way to deal with that. I don't necessarily think this guy should be in prison; I was narrowly answering your question: "[W]hat possible benefit would prison be here?"


The question is the cost of enforcement in total versus the prevented cost in total, including both the costs that would be caused by this guy and the costs that would be caused by others that are deterred by the credible threat of enforcement.

And therein lies the rub. Sociopaths are not deterred by any but the most credible of threats. They will always find new avenues of exploit down at the bottom. To make an extreme effort to try and wipe out all sociopaths, parasites, free riders (or whatever else you want to call them) would impose enormous, crippling costs on our society.


Yes. But at the same time there are clearly cases where the costs imposed do exceed the cost of enforcement. I don't pretend to know whether that is the case here; I weakly expect that it isn't. Again, my post was a response to a question: "[W]hat possible benefit would prison be here?" Deterrence and prevention of behaviours with harmful externalities is the possible benefit.


It's a complicated and difficult problem to solve. At the same time as we're finding and closing these loopholes, more of these people are infiltrating the highest levels of government and seeking to create more loopholes. Society ceases to function if enough people succeed at violating the social contract.


Right. Most of the interesting questions are complicated, because most of the genuinely simple things we all just agree on the right answer quickly and stop talking about it...


Removes him from circulation. Maybe he can AirBnB the other bunk in his cell?


Why is is that some people have such a hard-on for other people's misery? It seems that every news story about a minor infraction is met with snivelling cretins vomiting sadistic fantasies of prison life for the subject of the story.


I think you've answered your own question. It's just this kind of story makes it socially acceptable to express it (and in this particular case the subject's marked lack of empathy seems to excuse us taking the same view).


And OP continues:

> Business is a zero-sum game.

That's pretty much as far from "libertarian Ayn Rand disciple" as you can get. This Man That Does Not Exist sounds more like a Libertarian Straw Man, serving the purposes of a writer with an authoritarian streak.


Plenty of "disciples" cling to a few soundbites from their idols that enable them to rationalize their behavior, without ever seeking to understand their idols' broader points.


The guy doesn't exist. The whole article is a work of fiction. Pando must be desperate for traffic.

> After dropping out of college, the Man took a job in high-frequency trading when he was 20, where, he claims, he made a killing.

Are we supposed to believe that a person who dropped out of college, with no computer science or programming background, is hired by a hedge fund or the proprietary trading desk of a large bank to help develop their HFT software and algorithms?


To be fair, there are a lot of other ways to "make a killing" in HFT which are not developing software and algorithms for hedge funds or large banks.


Or maybe he just lied? He doesn't seem like the most trustworthy kind of guy to begin with.


> Are we supposed to believe that a person who dropped out of college, with no computer science or programming background, is hired by a hedge fund or the proprietary trading desk of a large bank to help develop their HFT software and algorithms?

No kidding. Not to mention, if he indeed 'made a killing' in the finance industry, why would he be hustling trying to resell iPads and now Air-bnb suites? Seems something programming-related or becoming an ex-pat in a tropical country with nice beaches would be more suitable for someone in their 20's that hates their job and has a lot of money...


I was surprised by that as well, but there may be some explanation. For example, he was a teenage hacker and had connections - through his family or other. So maybe he knew someone at a high frequency trading hedge fund who saw that the guy could code, and gave him a chance.

I agree that it's a bit far fetched, but IMHO it's plausible and I wouldn't be surprised if more than one person had already landed a lucrative job in the financial sector that way.


Isn't his logic/mentality the same as those who speed while driving?


He knows that neighbors despise what he's doing, but he doesn't see any reason for us to have hotel regulations. That might stop him from making money.

Color me surprised that he's a Rand disciple.


Must be nice to go through life believing you're entitled to ignore externalities that cause discomfort to others, or not pay for public goods that you benefit from. Keeps things simple when you just have to worry about getting what's yours.


Everyone is entitled to (and does) ignore externalities that cause discomfort to others.

If Alice performs well at her job, and her company gains a lot of marketshare as a result, she has likely caused discomfort for the employees of her company's competitors. It's frightening to imagine a world in which Alice is forced to stop performing as well because of her competitors' discomfort.

A simpler example: "hapless" is all over this thread, causing discomfort for those who don't want this man thrown in prison. Should "hapless" be forced to stop?

Additionally, everyone is entitled to (and does) ignore public goods that they don't pay for. It's frightening to imagine a world in which we force Alice to pay for her neighbor's renovations, or to pay for a weekly advice newsletter she never signed up for.

People like the man in the article make these value judgments more independently from government policy than most people do. If anything, that is your contention with him, not that he doesn't pay for things he didn't ask for, and not that he sometimes ignores the discomfort caused by his actions.


I think you misread the comment you're replying to.

People are not entitled to ignore all externalities that cause discomfort to others. For example, creating toxic pollution that spreads to people around you and forcing them to pay the cost of cleanup is not OK, but you're suggesting it is? If you were affected by this kind of pollution, would you just shrug and say, "It's OK for them to ignore this externality?"

And the part about not paying for public goods that you use, you seem to have misread as "not using public goods that you don't pay for".

People are upset with the AirBNB guy in the article because he's causing problems for the neighbors, and profiting because he's ignoring regulations. It's profiting off the backs of other people, so he's more like a leecher than any Ayn Randian hero.


> It's frightening to imagine a world in which we force Alice to pay for her neighbor's renovations,

we already live in this world, and you haven't even noticed:

NYC Build it Back program: http://www.nyc.gov/html/recovery/html/home/home.shtml

"Rep. Michael Grimm wants federal government to earmark $600 million for NYC 'Build it Back' program": http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/11/rep_michael_gri...

New York Assisted Home Performance Grants: http://www.dsireusa.org/incentives/incentive.cfm?Incentive_C...

low interest housing renovation loans from NYC: http://www1.nyc.gov/nyc-resources/service/1869/housing-renov...

e.g. just in new york there's plenty of publicly (or in the case of assisted home performance, ratepayer funded, e.g. a tax on energy bills) funded housing renovation programs.


> If Alice performs well at her job, and her company gains a lot of marketshare as a result, she has likely caused discomfort for the employees of her company's competitors. It's frightening to imagine a world in which Alice is forced to stop performing as well because of her competitors' discomfort.

I think that's the exception rather than the rule. People are expected to act competitively in their job in a way that doesn't extend to other spheres of life.

And not so long ago there was a view that there were limits on that competition; one could outdo one's competitor, but it was unseemly to press them to the point where they were forced to fire people or go bankrupt. Workers who were very successful would charge higher prices or spend less time working so as not to outcompete others too severely; companies that were very successful would license technology cheaply, or found ways to spend their money without expanding too aggressively. In the worst case, if you put a competitor out of business you were expected to acquire them on friendly terms. Many parts of the world still operate like this. It may be less efficient than the ultracapitalist way, but it's by no means "frightening".


believe it or not, some human beings try to go through life creating positive externalities, or avoiding creating negative ones... fools and value-judging tyrants, no doubt.


No, you're describing me, actually.


you're confusing me in your attempt to interfere with my karma whoring (or possibly contribute to it LOL).

if you are aware of the externality you're creating, but continuing with the activity because of even greater positive externalities, and/or exercising your rights consistent with how you would expect others to exercise them, then you're not ignoring the externality, you're taking it into account in your social calculations.

If you were ignoring it, and acting for your own benefit regardless of any externalities to others, that would be antisocial.

In TFA, it sort of seems like he is aware of the negative impact on neighbors and illegalities, but feels inexplicably entitled regardless.


I don't think AirBNB actually claims this guy doesn't exist - that's a clickbait gimmick. What they do claim is that he's in the minority, which I believe is true.

I'm an AirBNB host in NYC and I know a lot of other people who are too. We're all exactly the kind of people AirBNB wants -- we have places that occasionally are available/empty, and AirBNB has become a great way for us to make a few extra $$. I personally don't make a dime of profit off my place (I do, however, offset a good portion of my rent).

I know the bad actors exist, and I know we do need some form of compromise between "No AirBNB!" and "AirBNB free-for-all". Not sure what the perfect solution is just yet, but I m confident a good one can be found.


The good compromise already exists:

* Sub-leasing is legal in NYC, for medium-term rentals. You are free to sub-lease your place during your month in europe, you are not free to sub-lease it nightly to transients.

* Owner-occupied Bed-and-Breakfasts are legal, but carefully regulated.

If AirBnB restricted itself to listings in these two (completely legal) categories, no one would object to them.


I've been making tourist apartments available online since 2001, long before Airbnb (a competitor for me) even existed, and I never heard anyone in any city ever complain about tourist apartments, be it Prague, Venice or Paris.

What happens is that a certain, usually small, percentage of residential apartments is made available to the tourists.

Each apartment means about one/two less hotel rooms.

Hotel rooms take space too, they are not floating over the city. They often replace old residential buildings to build hotels effectively taking away space from residents who are pushed out of the city.

So we may say that tourism takes space in the center, not apartments.

I didn't hear much complain about this neither, as tourism brings money and, if anything, they want more of them. It seems to me that NY has a very specific situation so Airbnb may be actually harming the residents, I don't know, but in general Airbnb is not doing anything particularly new in Europe, where apartments for short term rent have been existing for long time.

The hype is all about "rent from another human being" but the reality, and I guess most of their business in Europe, is simply providing a better platform.

Maybe NY regulators could look at Prague or Croatia to solve the problem.

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Very few old residential buildings in NYC are converted into hotels, in fact it seems more common for old hotels to be converted partially or entirely into residential space. (Hotel Chelsea, The Plaza, etc) Also at least in NYC, not very many people (that I've met at least) look at living in the city center (aka Times Square) as very desirable.

Didn't Paris have a big uproar a few years ago over shorter than 30 day rentals similar to NYC's current issues?


I believe, imho, that the issue has exploded because AirBNB is a Silicon Valley backed company, and the worry is with explosive growth and scale. It's not a big problem when a miniscule amount of the apartment stock is tied up as short term rentals, but it can become a huge problem as that percentage grows.

The public and our representatives in government are more internet savvy too so these issues (or at least the stories) bubble to the top more quickly.

As a resident in NY and I can appreciate the ability AirBNB gives me to rent out my apartment easily (I haven't). But I also see that "The Man That Doesn't Exist" is "stealing" apartment stock for hotel use, which drives up my cost of living as a renter (on the flipside, his "theft" of the apartment would be beneficial to me if I was an owner, driving up the value of my property).


In Prague, just to give you an example I know well, the number of apartments for short term rent is pretty high and it grew pretty quickly too in the 90's. The reason was not Silicon Valley growth but the end of socialism. Internet was not involved but I don't really think the source of bookings or change really matters. What matters is the effect on the rest of the economy and society. As you say some people (owners in this case) profit in this situation while others suffer and are pushed in less desirable areas (that would be 99% of the time out of the center in Europe, and out of nice neighborhoods in US). At the end for "people" aggregate (vs corporations) it may be a neutral change.

What I am saying is that NY may seems pretty special but it may not be. The fact that Hotels are so expensive may be a sign that Airbnb is bringing some needed change in an overly protected business environment.

What if Airbnb forces some hotels to close and they free up residential space? Is this a possible effect?


It's possible, but highly unlikely imho. I haven't found AirBNB prices in NY to be all that appealing (I live in NYC). They are at a discount, but not a great enough discount for me to go AirBNB over the comfort and convenience of a hotel and often find great hotel prices with apps like HotelTonight. And when I've looked elsewhere, AirBNB places are similarly underwhelming. I can see it being cheaper for a group to rent a nice apartment vs several hotel rooms, but I often travel alone and find comfort in the convenience of a hotel.


Housing in NYC is definitely a special-case, people should keep this in mind when discussing AirBnB


Why does AirBnb even allow more than one listing per user? How many people have multiple residences which they can legitimately rent out legally? It seems like it would stem a lot of criticism if they only allowed one residence per user, along with real-name and address verification (which they already use for renters).


There are a few places listed, for example in California, that are actually registered as hotel/hostels and pay city taxes and advertise multiple rooms. Though, I don't see they should be on AirBnB in the first place (my view is that if you are a business you should not be on AirBnB).


As an AirBnB user I would really like a way to at least filter such places out of my searches. When I rent on AirBnB I want to rent from an individual who lives in their home; I see it as basically couchsurfing but with money and (often) nicer accommodations. If I wanted to rent a hostel bed or a room from a vacation-rooms-for-rent agency, I'd be on another site. I basically treat them as spam in the search results.


Best buy also lists on ebay.


I'm impressed by how much hate is directed in the comments to the guy in the article. Seems like a lot of people here are either jealous about this guy "hacking the system", or are just too self-righteous.

Why not instead use the article (as it was probably intended) as a way to think and debate about things that are hard to agree on or that are hard to define?

This caught my attention for example: "The Man Who Does Not Exist claims regulations that govern rental apartments are akin to drug laws. They are useless, unenforceable, and an affront to the general public.", and although I don't have a strong opinion about hotel regulation in NY (or elsewhere), I do agree that current drug laws pretty much only benefit government agencies (they get funding) and drug cartels (by artificially raising prices).


I approve of the law as it stands. Hotel taxes and hotel regulation improve my quality of life.

He breaks the law for money. As a result, I would like to see him punished.

(As a secondary matter, he is loathsome for defrauding his landlords -- renting out space to be used as a hotel is a much higher-risk proposition than a long term residence)


Except there is a debate now, because hotel law was not created to regulate people renting out their places. So now people on both sides need to agree on a solution, given it's not clear whether hotel laws apply directly to people on Airbnb or not.

This is a similar (if not the same) issue that Uber/Lyft and similar companies are facing with current regulation all over the world.

Slavery was legal in the US for a long time, and a lot of people were fine with it. Does that mean it should have stayed that way?


Hotel law was absolutely created to regulate people renting out their places. The early working-class hotels were owner-occupied tenements with short leases. Hotel regulation was written with that picture in mind.

And I simply cannot believe you compared hotel regulation to the institution of slavery. It is not just in-apt, it is totally inappropriate. You should feel ashamed of yourself.


Some states (I know Illinois) actually have laws protecting renting out your own place. Typically referred to as subleasing.

Also, get off your high horse.


Subleasing is legally protected in New York. Operating an illegal hotel is not.


Please provide a reference to your claim about hotel law being created to regulate early working-class hotels. I can't find any. And given that NY only recently modified hotel law to ban less-than-30-days rentals on SROs, what you say is hard to believe.

I should be ashamed for making a factual comment? Slavery is only shocking now, but it was completely normal a few hundred years ago and for thousands of years before that. Would you prefer I compare hotel law to gay marriage then? The principle is the same anyway, people believe or agree on something until the premise for that is no longer acceptable or no longer true. Then a debate starts and change must happen. You are rejecting change and accusing the people who are creating the change of being criminals, I think you should be ashamed of that.

Given your nickname and the tone of your comments, I recommend you read this and put it into practice: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3304496/Be-lucky-its-a...


Slavery is only shocking now

This is utter bullshit. There have people making political stands against slavery for centuries. In the US, there were laws being brought in in 1777, right after independence. In England, there was a 16th century case where a slave brought from Russia would not be recognised under English law. Slavery in France was prohibited early in the 14th century.

Slavery has a long tradition of people opposing it. Even 'thousands of years before that', there were societies where slavery was explicitly forbidden. The Achaemenid Empire (500-300BC) banned slavery due to its Zoroastrian religion.


Still, I would think more people are against slavery today than 500 years ago, which was the main point.


I didn't say slavery was accepted by everyone, I said it was normal and that only not it's shocking. I guess I should have said it's only shocking now to most people.

But that is besides the point. I don't want to debate about slavery, and that is not the point of the article, I used slavery only as a contrast to exemplify how people agree or disagree with something, then debate, then come to some agreement.


But while drug laws are primarily intended to restrict access to one resource (drugs), hotel regulations are intended to ensure that a resource (living space) is available and only as a side effect restrict another resource (hotel rooms).

The analogy also fails because while drug laws are motivated by health/moral concerns, hotel regulations are to a large extend motivated by the fact that the common resource required by both tenants and hotels is limited simply by the amount of available space in NYC,. This restraint on the available space would effect the outcome of a perfectly free market to be rather bad™, since it would turn the whole of the city (and most other popular cities) into one large hotel without any permanent residents.


"Business is a zero-sum game."

I'd be surprised if he actually thinks this (though only mildly) - Some business activities are zero-sum, but in general business exists precisely because it's not a zero sum game.


He's a criminal. Of course his business is zero sum. His profits and the consumer surpluses of his customers are balanced against the losses to society.


The claim that his business is zero sum is tremendously more narrow than the one that was made. Even so, it's probably false. Very much criminal activity has a negative sum (eg, smash a window to steal a laptop). It's also perfectly possible for an illegal activity to nonetheless have a positive sum (legislators are imperfect, laws are necessarily generalizations, etc); though we shouldn't expect it in any individual case, I think it's most likely to be the case in a situation like this with a willing exchange of goods (where there clearly is a surplus for two parties).


His business is not zero-sum. It actually creates wealth. People that used to not be able to afford a visit to New York now can.


At $500 a night, your comment appears to be false. Additionally, the people that live there will have a harder time competing with people who can afford to live there part time at accelerated rates - which means, on average, the place next door is threatening to drive up rent everywhere around it.


You can't say I'm false and justify it by citing a single price. What would a hotel have cost?

I don't understand your second point at all. But remember, prices are "set" by firms competing for the lowest price/best value, not by "what the market can bear." There should be no reason rents will go up.


It says in the article: the average hotel in NYC is $281/night.


I can book a decent hotel on HotelTonight [http://www.hoteltonight.com] in New York right now for $99-267/night. Who is paying $500/night?


The people renting from the guy in TFA, which also states that he charges $500/night.


Ridiculous all around


It sounds like the flat is extremely nice. $8,000 a month was it? $500 for a night is not all that outrageous compared to an equivalent hotel room.


Why compare it to the average? This is a $8,000 a month apartment. A hotel room equivalent would definitely not be $281. More importantly, if this wasn't a good deal, why explains it being booked all the time?


That is the consumer surplus for his customers. The criminal vendor and his customers are always individually better off, or else no transaction would take place.

Society suffers from the externalities of a criminal business.


Your logic is flawed. This business is not zero sum. It literally creates wealth. Your dollar now buys more than it did before. Taxation is zero-sum. Your dollar that you would have spent literally gets taken from you to be spent somewhere else. No wealth is created. Similarly, no wealth is lost when people evade tax - but we do have less for the government to spend obviously.

Also, at a large scale "the customers" are the same as "society."

Externalities are an important topic but what are those externalities? Fewer tax dollars, annoyed neighbors, that all I can think of. Both of those are easily solvable problems in a free market. Allow apartment complexes to choose if they allow airBnB.

The benefit far outweighs the negatives. There are also positive externalities. We all benefit from sharing our resources.

Air BnB should be legalized. That would also get rid of some of the externalities of crime, like paying for prison and enforcement of laws.


If taxation is used to create infrastructure, then surely it is not zero-sum. Also, examples such as NASA would suggest that certain tax funded activities are hugely positive-sum. http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/economics.html


Government is positive-sum (in theory - if used correctly). Taxation is not. If taxation was positive-sum we could just tax everyone 100%, give it back to them, tax it again, and all be incredibly wealthy!

Building roads is important and benefits society, but regardless taxation is still zero-sum. Taxation is just a funnel of inlets that eventually go to a bunch of outlets. The money in equals the money out. Nothing was created. benefit = the amount. Zero-sum. The government can spend it on things that are positive-sum, but so can we.

Now, lets take roads again, the economic benefit of roads is much much higher than the amount it takes to build and maintain them. Roads create wealth. But taxation is still zero-sum. We as a bunch of private individuals could have paid to have the roads built for all intents and purposes the same price the government can. Obviously that's impractical so we don't do it that way. The positive-sum of government is exactly this -- the organization of community projects among other things.

It's a difficult idea to wrap your head around, I know. The government can invest tax dollars, but so can you. Taxation, regardless of what it is spent on is inherently zero-sum by definition. That said, plenty of zero-sum things are incredibly important and worthwhile. Taxation is one of these things.


> It's a difficult idea to wrap your head around, I know. The government can invest tax dollars, but so can you. Taxation, regardless of what it is spent on is inherently zero-sum by definition.

I think you're defining taxation so narrowly as to be meaningless. One could equally argue that buying something in a shop is inherently zero-sum - your money goes to the shopkeeper, the product goes to you, by definition that's zero-sum.

With more usual definitions we'd say that was a positive-sum trade, because to you the product is worth more than the money, while to the shopkeeper the reverse is true. But the exact same reasoning can apply to taxation - taxation is positive-sum for most people, precisely because it is more valuable to them for that money to be in the hands of the government than for it to be in their own hands (because, as you say, the government can use it more efficiently, because it can undertake projects that while positive-sum are impractical for private individuals).


Your reasoning is wrong, here.

Taxation is zero-sum in dollars.

Trade of dollars and unmodified material goods is also zero sum in those dollars and goods, and can still be positive-sum in utility.

If you have X kg gold, and I have $Y, and you value that X kg gold at less than $Y, while I value that X kg gold a more than $Y, we can make a trade, all be subjectively better off - a non-zero sum transaction - and yet there is no more gold and there is no more dollars.


Government is positive-sum.

Killing all those brown people with drones sure is positive sum!


Yes, but it's displacing a potential tenant who'd be paying much less than $500 / night to leave in the apartment.


Right, if he really thinks this then he's not a very good Ayn Rand disciple.


Seriously. A focus on the positive sum is just about the entire point of Atlas Shrugged. If the industrialists (who had been making a bunch of money) left a zero-sum game, the others should benefit!


>Current laws, for example, include a tax that goes directly to the Javits Convention Center — a place scant numbers of New Yorkers have ever visited.

And yet which brings thousands and thousands of visitors to New York (with spending and lodging money) yearly. Move the Javits Center to Jersey and the surrounding hotels, restaurants and immeneties suddenly have very little reason to be there.


In theory that's how convention centers should work. In practice, the Javits Center is isolated by the surrounding railyards and few desirable amenities have sprung up in the area.

(This may finally change in a few years' time with the opening of the Hudson Yards redevelopment and the western extension of the 7 subway - so of course it's been proposed to tear down Javits and build a new convention center at the even more isolated Aqueduct Racetrack site. Ugh.)


Ah, I didn't know it was proposed to relocate. What would be the benefit to having a convention centre away from built-up areas where it's even harder to get to (or get away from..)


> After dropping out of college, the Man took a job in high-frequency trading when he was 20, where, he claims, he made a killing.

> Thus far, he's found two properties that fit the bill. He charges around $500 a night for the first one; this second one is set to launch in the coming weeks with a similar price tag. He’s received funding from outside investors...

Parts of this story seem odd. If the Man Who Does Not Exist made a "killing" in finance, why exactly does he need or want investors for this venture? It sounds like the investment required is relatively modest and would quickly be recouped. And I can't imagine that increasing the number of people formally involved in his illegal enterprise will be to his benefit when, for one reason or another, the gig is up.


I'm going to start selling drugs to kids on the playground of their elementary school so I can get some shady investors and be labeled as a disrupter.


If you get away with that, you would actually be a disrupter, except not a particularly nice one.

Currently the most successful people doing that are child psychiatrists and big pharma, but they convince the parents to buy the drugs for the kids instead. Government seems to be fine with this though, as well as most of society.


well played


Two very different activities.


Interesting article but they really should have dropped the "man who doesn't exist" stuff after the first paragraph.


Good point. Typically journalists would do something like "We will refer to him as Joe, not his real name."


What's so hefty about a 15% tax? Just pay the city the 15% and pocket the rest. If you need to, raise the price a bit.

Assuming your rent is 500$/month, to give one room to some random person for a night you should charge them 20$/night to offset your entire rent for that day after deducing the city tax. The person in the article charges 500$/night. In that case you can even charge 50$/night and make money on top of having enough to pay rent.

In no case would you need to charge more than a hotel - you both pay 15% tax, but you don't need to pay a whole hotel's worth of workers for that room's upkeep.


There are other issues, in many jurisdictions being a legally zoned hotel requires things like sprinklers that the average AirBNB lister might be unwilling or unable (in the case of a renter) to invest in.


The Man Who Does Not Exist tells me he is a libertarian, an Ayn Rand disciple, and, in the parlance of Silicon Valley, views himself a disrupter. Business is a zero-sum game...

It would be so nice if journalists who write about "Ayn Rand disciples" would actually read something by her first, so they would know what they're talking about.


Why? Assuming he's being truthful, all he's reporting is what the Man claims.


Unfortunately, it's rather difficult to tell the difference between real Christians and those who merely say that they are Christians.


There seems to be some confusion about the term "externality" in this thread that I want to clarify.

Not every effect that a person has on someone else is an externality. In general, externalities are direct physical impacts you have on others. In this case, noise is a good example, though the general "vibe" of having strangers moving in and out, and the risk of violence from these people, assuming it is higher, is also an externality.

On the other hand, anything that operates via prices is never an externality. If AirBnB increased demand for rental housing and therefore raises prices, this wouldn't constitute an externality.

The ethics of free market economics basically states that the government should regulate externalities, but if someone is only effecting you via market prices, that's your own problem.

Another kind of externaility is network externalities. Even though pricing residential housing out of the market isn't itself an externality, there may be a network externality associated with residential housing which means that the market wouldn't provide the optimal balance of residential housing and hotels (even if there was no noise issue). Because of this, the government may also want to intervene by restricting the total amount of hotels. However, I doubt this is a big factor in real life since the demand for hotels is clearly much smaller than the demand for residential housing (who spends more than a tiny fraction of their life in a hotel?)


"According to NYC Research and Analytics, the average price for a hotel room in New York City is $281 a night. That’s for all five the boroughs. In Manhattan, it’s hard to find a room for under $350. Add that hefty 15 percent tax and lodging in Manhattan is an activity for the 1 percent."

Yes, hotels in Manhatten are expensive, but calling it an activity for the 1% is a stretch. The rhetoric of 99%/1% was in response to 1% of US earners taking 20% of total income, at an average of like $400,000.


Not sure why, but instinctually, I really do not like the man who does not exist. Perhaps it's because I am an Ayn Rand hating libertarian. Or perhaps it's because he is the kind of man who takes advantage of the market with little to no regard to externalities, and when someone questions his actions, he wraps himself in an American Flag and screams about his god given rights.


"Entrepreneurship fits him."

No, sounds like easy-to-pull-off arbitrage models fit him.


Which is the core of entrepreneurship: Deliver something at a price that is more than what you paid for that thing.


If you're going to break the law, why go to the trouble of forming a Delaware LLC? Won't that draw more attention to the operation and result in double taxation? Doesn't it also mean breaking Delaware law by forming a corporation for illegal purposes? Title 8, Chapter 1 says "A corporation may be incorporated or organized under this chapter to conduct or promote any lawful business or purposes..."

Furthermore, he takes all these steps to avoid 15% hotel tax, but pays 30% on the LLC profits and then pays income tax when he takes earnings from the LLC?

Am I missing something here?


No you're not. It's another arbitrage play. He's creating the LLCs to cap his legal liability for each rental unit while at the same time trying to get the benefit of pass-through taxation benefits (meaning, no corporate level income tax but also meaning that all of his income is subject to gross taxation).

In practice, it probably wouldn't work. LLCs are subject to a lower veil-piercing threshold in New York than corporations are (though the requirements are otherwise generally the same), so the LLC will do little to protect him legally, especially since he's violating Delaware's laws regarding the formation of the LLC.

He's also most likely using this structure avoid attracting unwanted attention, since one of NYC's avenues for tracking down AirBnB offenders has been to compare corporate filings with rentals offered on the site.


The LLC can be taxed as a pass-through/partnership... meaning no double-taxation. Any income taxes are only on net income, while I believe the hotel tax is on gross revenues.


LLCs aren't double taxed. Or S-corps.


Cartels hate competition. I love AirBnB because they level the playing field.


> Current laws, for example, include a tax that goes directly to the Javits Convention Center — a place scant numbers of New Yorkers have ever visited.

> “Why are they entitled to a cut?” he asks.

The hotels may pay the tax, but I believe the idea behind this sort of arrangement is that they would take this into account when pricing rooms. So effectively, out of towners pay the tax when they get a hotel room. Even if you ignore the other benefits the city and its businesses get from out of towners passing through, the question being asked here is: why does money paid by out of towners go into something that benefits out of towners?

Of course I agree with others that this story is at least embellished, too much of this guy's history seems like goofy fantasy. (Paying homeless people to purchase iPad 2 for export, really?) So this question being asked probably reflects the author more than it does the interview subject.


Why should these restrictions even exist in the first place? People claim it's about recourse, but that's what review sites and extensive contracts are for.

The author(s) of this drivel obviously want to paint this man in 50+ shades of dark grey and blood red, but really is there anything wrong, morally, with what he's doing, what is the purpose of the law other than to retroactively add value to the investments of people who could already afford to offer housing like this, and increase the barrier to entry for those who couldn't?


So, he rents out an apartment for 500 a night, while an average hotel room is 281 -- or 244 ex 15% tax. His 500 with added tax is 575. Essentially this is in the same price range? Am I missing something?

So, he makes an extra profit dodging taxes (as he did by dodging VAT by smuggling ipads). Well, surely it isn't news that crime does pay, as long as you can avoid getting caught?


There is probably enough information (# of properties, rates, $78k, etc.) in the article for AirBnB to de-anonymize The Man Who Does Not Exist if they wish.


I'm bored; lets go deeper.

Why think the man who does not exist exists? why not assume pando made him up, and made the whole story up? The story isn't so implausible that people would doubt it. If anything,the story is toogood - count the number of times the man comes across as a bad guy. Randian of the worst kind? tick. Used to work in wall street? tick. In HFT? tick. Why did he grant an interview if he was trying to keep his business secret? I don't know if the story is made up, but its ringing bells in my head...


So is the hotel industry paying bloggers to write these hit pieces?




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