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Maybe better, shouldn’t drive the car because of safety issues



This is hyperbole. Most of the Tesla recalls that I can remember did not impact the safety of the vehicle.


Is there no difference between a software "recall" and a software update?

I'm imagining (uneducated guess) that the software is updated more often than it is recalled, and so a "recall" is an update that addresses a safety issue.


Specifically speaking on software and tesla most/all recalls are for items that no longer comply with a government rule. No argument, the rules should be followed but I do believe there is a shade of gray as a number of them are imo tail events. They should be fixed but I would not classify them as the car cannot be used because safety is an issue.

"The Boombox function allows sounds to be played through an external speaker while the vehicle is in motion, which may obscure the Pedestrian Warning System (PWS) sounds. As such, these vehicles fail to comply with the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard number 141, "Minimum Sound Requirements for Hybrid and Electric Vehicles"

"A software error may cause a valve in the heat pump to open unintentionally and trap the refrigerant inside the evaporator, resulting in decreased defrosting performance. As such, these vehicles fail to comply with the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard number 103, "Windshield Defrosting and Defogging Systems."

" A factory reset muted the Pedestrian Warning System (PWS) sounds. As such, these vehicles fail to comply with the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard number 141, "Minimum Sound Requirements for Hybrid and Electric Vehicles."

"An incorrect font size is displayed on the instrument panel for the Brake, Park, and Antilock Brake System (ABS) warning lights. As such, these vehicles fail to comply with the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard number 105, "Hydraulic and Electric Brake Systems" and 135, "Light Vehicle Brake Systems."

Outside of these there are a handful of FSD recalls and a couple that are more critical, like rear-view cameras not working due to software. Stating again for the eventual naysayers, all of these absolutely should be fixed but I believe they are shades of gray in terms of how critical they are to safety.


Honestly, some of these read like “Three ton car can be driven into people if the steering wheel is applied in the wrong direction. Constitutes danger to public safety and cannot be used.”


That was my only point too. Tesla has lots of issues and the cyber truck is no stranger to it but most of the recalls people cite are not true safety issues.


Yeah, I think there's a significant difference between "Tesla decided to push a software update to their cars on their own" and "the government said the cars are unsafe, so Tesla was required to push a software update", and that's worth capturing in the language we use to describe those events.


You are aware that in this very thread are examples of Tesla recalls that impacted the safety of the vehicle?


You are aware I said most right? I am responding to the typical Tesla hyperbole. All issues that warrant a recall classification absolutely should be fixed but I would not go as far to say the vehicle should not be used due to safety. I think I can manage even though the font size in the instrument cluster is incorrect.

That's not to say there are not more serious issues like the rear-view camera that did not work for specific models/software version combos.




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