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A lot of people are starting to realise that "secure" means "secure AGAINST the user".



Y... yes? That has always been the premise of Unix systems security?


Not if the user is the one who actually owns the machine.


Yes, even then. Every sandboxing scheme ever devised has the same premise. That's why tools like Firejail were written. DRM/anticheat and anti-rootkit countermeasures are more or less the same technology.


What GP obviously meant was "secure against the [rightful owner & user of the system]". That's never been the premise of *nix system security where the owner can ultimately do anything, no matter how self-destructive it is.

You're changing the semantic definition of "user" to mean "secure against the [restricted user account]" and thus mocking an argument that was never made.

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> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.




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