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The ignorance displayed in the comments on that article is scary. It's quite obvious a lot of people have never been in the position to actually need this sort of aid before, so it's easy to knock everyone using it as "an illegal" or "lazy."

Of course people will abuse this, too, just like they abuse the unemployment insurance we have now. But to me, the net positives that come out of this will outweigh the (probably minor) fraud that will happen. Adding benchmarks (e.g., you have to legally register a business, you have to prove some sort of business activity to a case worker, and so on) will keep a lot of the fraud out, even if they're token requirements.




One word: Solyndra.

After they just wasted another $535M of taxpayer money in crony capitalist payments, why do you think it's "ignorance" to evince strong opposition to these kind of attempts at meddling in the economy?

VCs and angels fund selectively and with their own money. The govt funds politically and with other people's money. That selects for Chris Gronet and George Kaiser, not Mark Zuckerberg and Peter Thiel.


The comments on that article were infuriatingly stupid.

This one, probably most of all:

"Hilarious, what kind of "jobs" are all of these inexperienced young people going to create for themselves? Another Obama giveaway."

Obviously this guy doesn't have an account with Google or Facebook.


Yeah, what are they doing to do, start some company focused on providing good commenting systems on websites?

The fact that that comment appeared on a Disqus comment stream is icing on the cake.


I've long stopped reading comments on news sites specifically because they are obviously overrun by trolls. The problem is the trolls are winning as I can see by some comments I see on facebook by people who believe the bullshit.

But sites like this (http://literallyunbelievable.org/) also make me loose faith in humanity sometimes


Oh if only they were all just trolls, out to take the piss out of the entire Internet. Unfortunately, the majority of them aren't.


First, who said "an illegal" or "lazy"? Searching the page I only find your comment using those terms.

Second, "the system is already being abused so lets allow further abuse" isn't really a great argument.

(For the record I'm actually in favor of this I just don't think your tone is necessary and I think it discourages anyone who might disagree)


1. Read the comments on the actual article, not HN.

2. Unless you have another ingenious way to make unemployment money more efficient, I see it as a fairly decent argument.


Yeah sorry if that wasn't clear; I meant on the article's page on the original post, not here.

And I agree, it's a terrible argument for OR against the improvements. The abuse isn't so widespread that it should stop (what I conceive to be) a great way to improve it.


There is a comment from jmfay on there that talks about "illegals"...




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