I'm so glad to have decided invest my time in learning Laravel a few years ago. The framework is amazing, the community, the tools, the whole ecosystem is always surprising me. I've since done a couple personal projects as well as big client work with Laravel and couldn't be happier. Such a shame that some people dismiss it because "PHP derp derp...

The Derp Derp does get old.

FWIW though checkout Symfony as well, a lot of what Laravel gets right Symfony got right first and a lot of what (imo) Laravel gets wrong Symfony also gets right.

Plus: It never hurts to see how the other side does things because it gives you the chance to steal bits that you might need later ;).

I've experienced the opposite: a lot of what Symfony gets wrong, Laravel gets it right at the moment (also imo).

Exactly, both contribute towards a common goal and they can easily share code thanks to a common language.

What is Invoker? Google-fu failing me.

edit: Ah, I think they are referring to this: https://invoker.dev/ which is another tool for Laravel. I thought they had made a tool similar for another platform like ruby or python.

Nice to see the community around Laravel adding more tooling. Still a little confused by the license and 'backing' to get a dark theme.

This is really cool - good work!

I currently have an Invoker licence but if you can get the Eloquent Database Browser working and relatively bug-free I'll almost definitely use this instead. Invoker is great but is too buggy for me to bother with at the moment.

Came here to say the same, I just tried it and agreed, really good. I bought Invoker and had to revoke the license, buggy, slow and you can't do basic stuff like resize the sidebars, this was before it was sold and I noticed the same after as well. As for Tinkerwell, docker support is shoddy at best, really good projects but the developer(s) seems to want to spin up a new one every week instead of polishing what they have. Autocomplete from my project directory will be a + as well but so far so good. Only complaint is the license, I would prefer the one year of updates model.

Totally agree about the Beyond Code devs! IMO they're spreading their development effort too thinly, and are trying to support too many apps for the number of developers in the company.

Tinkerwell was amazing when it was first released, but the price has increased, and now there are other free options which are nearly as good. I've let my licence lapse and use Laravel Tinker for PHPstorm instead.

Don't get me wrong - Marcel (lead dev for Beyond Code) is an excellent developer, and their apps are great. They'd be even better if they spent a bit (or a lot) more time fixing bugs though.

Hey, Marcel here :)

Yup, I have to agree with what you said. Especially last year, we focused on a lot of new tools, which then lead to more bugs on the existing apps. Meanwhile we have grown our team and just released a new version of Tinkerwell (2.13) that fixes a ton of those small things and adds a lot of new features. Same with HELO, and Invoker will come next.

So yeah, it's all on our roadmap :)

Why their "The three Ps" titles contain 6 "P"s

* Plugin play

* Painless email previews

* PHP code runner

Is there a similar software for Rails ?

no, only activeadmin or rails_admin for cruding stuff. this is more advanced, gz to the php community from a rails dev

It looks like this is a form-based GUI for invoking the Laravel equivalent of “rails scaffold” or “angular generate”.

A very interesting concept. Although I would probably prefer this to be integrated into IDE plugins instead of yet another (likely electron) app.

Most IDE plug-in frameworks have access to the already configured language runtime/compiler/interpreter.