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> Neither you nor I determine the course of the national discourse. Only Mr. Trump has the power of the bully pulpit

I'm not sure what's you point here. This is what the US president does (unlike other countries) - has a lot of power to directly intervene in many places. This is what voters expect from him, and this is the issue on his mind.

Amazon is not the only one abusing the USPS. Chinese companies like AliExpress do the same thing all over the world, taking advantage of national post services to ship a 50 penny screw free from China to UK for example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/09/12/...




> I'm not sure what's you point here.

My point is that Mr. Trump is not talking about the double irish with a dutch sandwich loophole. He never has, and probably never will. Mr. Trump had an opportunity to fix it in last year's tax overhaul. But he turned a blind eye to the well known tax issue.

Therefore, your earlier statement:

> We all know how the big tech companies pay basically zero tax by elaborate international tax reduction schemes.

is... well... I agree with it. Companies shouldn't be abusing the double irish with a dutch sandwich loophole. But our President is ignoring the issue. And therefore, neither you nor I can do anything about it.


> But our President is ignoring the issue. And therefore, neither you nor I can do anything about it.

Actually we could do something about it. People don't want to buy from companies which use child labour or which destroy the environment.

Thus you have all tech companies painting themselves as green as possible.

We are already seeing a trend in people demanding that companies support the "local economy". I think it's just a matter of time until they will demand for them to also pay "local taxes".

And then you'll see this page appear on the Internet: https://www.apple.com/taxes/, just like this one which exists today: https://www.apple.com/environment/


I would like to see you address the AliExpress free worldwide shipping point please.


Why? Mr. Trump is only talking about Amazon and USPS at the moment. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/98006358159204761...

If Mr. Trump were complaining about Alibaba or even doing something about it, maybe then I'll chime in on that discussion. Otherwise, it seems kind of irrelevant to the greater discussion that our President is putting forth.

Unless you think that Mr. Trump, the FCC or the other powers that be are actually doing something about the Alibaba thingy? Or that Mr. Trump even cares about this issue at all: http://a.abcnews.com/images/Business/abc_donald_trump_made_i...

The only reason Mr. Trump is talking about Amazon is because Jeff Bezos owns Washington Post, and Mr. Trump doesn't like the articles that WashPo are running. When Mr. Trump stops using Chinese labor, and his own company stops abusing these same rules... then maybe I'll trust that he's taking the issue seriously.

If your point is that you support tariffs on China for unfair practices, then I agree with you. The part where I stop agreeing with Mr. Trump is where these tariffs start to affect US Allies (ie: Canada, Australia, UK), or close US Trading Partners (Europe, Mexico, etc. etc.).


> Why?

Because I'm interested in human psychology, kind of as a hobby. I find it fun to observe how people become incredibly righteously indignant on what they think is a principled basis "But he turned a blind eye to the well known tax issue" and then do the very same thing. Donald Trump cherry picking = bad, you = ok.

I also find it interesting to interact with people who think they can read minds: "The only reason Mr. Trump is talking about Amazon is because Jeff Bezos owns Washington Post, and Mr. Trump doesn't like the articles that WashPo are running."

> If your point is that you support tariffs on China for unfair practices, then I agree with you. The part where I stop agreeing with Mr. Trump is where these tariffs start to affect US Allies (ie: Canada, Australia, UK), or close US Trading Partners (Europe, Mexico, etc. etc.).

I support fairness + pragmatism. China was given extremely favorable tariff treatment as they were developing, but they are now far, far beyond the development phase and it is well past the time that tariffs are normalized, as well as other unfair advantages fixed (free worldwide shipping subsidized by mostly Western postal services, like USPS).

But to listen to the typical fresh out of school HN expert armchair economists, current tariffs are "just right", as if they never change, and never need to change to accommodate changing conditions. In other words, they are incredibly ignorant of history (such as Obama's similar actions....where were the dire Smoot-Hawley warnings then?), but even worse, their emotions related to the topic seems to have disabled their plain old common common sense.


> I find it fun to observe how people become incredibly righteously indignant

> I also find it interesting to interact with people who think they can read minds

Normally, I'd continue discussing this with you. But I've been literally banned when I "return the favor" here on YCombinator. The mods really don't like aggressive discussions in this area. Therefore, this is where the discussion ends.

I've made a personal promise to the mods to not escalate towards personal attacks anymore on this site to keep my account active, and therefore I'm unable to reciprocate your subtle personal attacks against me.


I've also received warnings....birds of a feather flock together they say! :)

Personally, I strongly disagree with this policy, or at the very least believe they are going to need to revisit it soon due to the bizarre nature of discourse on recent topics - so many people refuse to engage in intellectually honest, non-deceptive discussion.

Unsurprisingly (based on the somewhat snarky tone of my comment, but absolutely and objectively justified imho), I am of the opinion that you were yet another of these people. Disagreeing on politics is one thing, refusing to engage on points of contention but instead moving the topic back to a preferred talking point, as politicians are famous for, to me is a depressing change in the level of discourse on HN.

Perhaps I've done this myself to a degree? Maybe, but it wouldn't be out of malicious intent, it is out of frustration.

Thanks for "a" reply at all, my spirits are lifted. But, I would be curious to know the perspective from your side of the political aisle, not about the topic we're disagreeing on, but whether HN has changed in the ways I'm describing. It may be less easy to notice if you don't hold opinions contrary to the norm, but no harm in asking.

EDIT: Ah yes, nice to see I got my obligatory downvote.




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