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I suppose the missing part of the story is why they held back on pursuing this market.

At the time, the console market was wide open, with little innovation in terms of hardware, until Nintendo released the Switch.

Even now, I'd be quite happy to own a Valve branded, small form PC that plugs into a TV.

The Steam Link was a kop out to me.


I still use my steam link all the time. I have it fiber back hauled to the computer that it runs off of. I'm thinking of buying a couple more. Give one to my kid and one put on a projector so I don't have to keep moving it back and forth.

Also, I think the device you're looking for is a deck because you can plug that into a television and use a wireless remote with it.

The steam link is the best remote display device I've ever used. No frame drops or artifacting, even on scenes that make the 3090 chug. It forwards controllers to the PC.

Now, the software, "big picture mode" and otherwise using a controller for PC input aren't the greatest, but you gotta figure it's me and like 2 other people still using this.

BTW airscreen/miracaat/screen mirroring/"wireless display" all suck. If your TV has smart bullt in that supports miracast, that in my limited experience is the second lowest latency, then firetv devices, and then roku and everything else. Roku only usable for presentation or digital signage, unless first party built in.

No idea why.


I have used an old sony bravia tv to cast COD from an android phone. Every time I connected, latency varied from 100 - 200 ms to 10 seconds. I had to reconnect several times until the latency was satisfactory.

Conclusion: it has been technically possible to cast to a tv for some years.


yes, miracast/screencast whatever was a thing prior to the Steam Link being released in November of 2015 (9 years and some change ago). some of the current devices can actually do sub-100ms of input latency, but you can't be in the same room as the source device or you'll go crazy. The roku stand-alone have the worst network and input latency, they're unusable for anything other than presentations.

firestick was <100ms network and barely noticeable input latency (on the order of ~20ms so interframe lag at 60fps). steam link is link latency + some small constant - whatever the "frameserver" processing takes, call it 3ms but definitely <10ms - and that's both network and input.

when i said network i meant both the network and the actual refresh of the screen. watching a movie is one thing, but pushing "Y" and your character jumping should be "as instant as practicable" and steam link is the only one that is that that i've used, so far.


I guess Proton/Wine/Linux gaming wasn't mature enough back then. Also a handheld wasn't really an option because there weren't any powerful enough yet energy efficient and cheap x86 chips available either.

Proton didn't exist yet, IIRC. The Steam Boxen relied on devs/studios/publishers being able and willing to port their games to Linux natively. The result was a handful of AAA and indie games that put proper effort into ports that ran well, a modest but larger selection of AAA games sloppily ported (such that they often can't run on current distros without containerization or extensive library preloading shenanigans), and a deluge of indie shovelware / forever-in-early-access vaporware produced by clicking the "gib me Linux" button in Unity and calling it a day.

Unfortunately, while it was certainly a boom in the number of games Linux users could play (easily enough for me to ditch Windows entirely and game exclusively on Linux and consoles), it wasn't quite the critical mass needed for Steam Boxen to be a commercial success. Proton was the missing piece.


I'd wager the chances of that happening are much lower under this current administration. Surprised Biden didn't consider it though.

Neither Obama nor Biden would ever pardon Assange, because it would not win them any votes with the constituencies they are really after. At least Manning carried some trans votes.

This is it.

Well organised and destructive conservatives across much of the western world, have conspired successfully to nullify the positive effect of a word once used to elide wide ranging ideas and discussions on the subject of social justice.

This is social media at it's most galling.

Though alongside that, we now have a wider appreciation of a long list historical crimes, and the longstanding effect of those transgressions.

In that sense, we have all become 'woke'.


> Whenever anyone tries to ban saying something that we'd previously been able to say, our initial assumption should be that they're wrong. Only our initial assumption of course. If they can prove we should stop say

For example, is a discussion about the defacement of the Black Hills a 'priggish' waste of time, or a valuable lesson about the real history of the United States?


Nick Clegg left just in time.


I think this comment comes across as slightly ignorant.

Many examples exist where a misguided belief in scientific 'facts' (usually a ropey hypothesis, with seemingly 'damning' evidence), or a straight up abuse of the scientific method, causes direct harm.

Suspicion is often based on facts or experience.

People have been infected with diseases without their knowledge.

People have been forced to undergo surgical procedures on the basis of spurious claims.

People have been burnt alive in buildings judged to be safe.

And look at Boeing.

No one has a problem with science itself per se. Everyone accepts the scientific method to be one of our greatest cultural achievements.

But whether one is "less bright", or super smart, we all know we as humans, are prone to mistakes, and are just as prone to bend the truth, to cover up those mistakes.

There's nothing plebeian about this form of suspicion. In fact, the scientific method relies on it (peer review).


> No one has a problem with science itself per se. Everyone accepts the scientific method to be one of our greatest cultural achievements

This is just wrong and naive. You can be happy if a majority of people agree to this.


As written, possibly. Taken literally, it's full of holes.

But if you're not a pedant, I essentially mean that most parents will vaccinate their children, many passengers will book flights, and a majority of the citizens in a population do respect their officials (etcetera).

And I think if you were to dig deeper than this, and test that hypothesis with... well... a scientific experiment of some kind, the result would probably support it.

But a good number of people will naturally question the outcome!


At their core, I still think of these things as search engines, albeit super advanced ones. But the emotion the agent conveys with it's speech synth is completely new...


Accessibility. Some people are actually just here to read. That's what the original standard was for, after all.


Being able to feasibly feed it a whole project codebase in one 'prompt' could now make these new generation of code completion tools worthwhile. I've found them to be of limited value so far, because they're never aware of the context of proposed changes.

With Gemini though, the idea of feeding in the current file, class, package, project, and perhaps even dependencies into a query, can potentially lead to some enlightening outputs.


I understand some of the disparaging replies i regards to execution, but if I'm honest, as someone who writes a lot of React, the idea of ditching it for a universally support standard of any kind, is a very appealing idea.


> ditching it for a universally support standard of any kind

RawJS ain't it.

If anything, React' JSX is the universally supported standard these days :)


React is great when you absolutely need state management on the frontend, but is overkill for the vast majority of frontend components to the point I would say it basically doubles the time to create a SPA. I wish I could just import it for one-off components and use traditional HTML rendered by the server for everything else.


You can use many other frameworks for that like Svelte (with SvelteKit), or Solid (with SolidStart)


We can also use React for that–the issue is the bundle size and it does not appear to be designed to share the DOM. I would love to see these smaller libraries document the process and best practices for using them within otherwise vanilla environments.


This software design principle is conspicuously absent at this point in time. Sure, Agile is important, and Agile processes do generate good products. But those processes have also come to introduce a cyclic development model, that's permeated back into the tools, and larger tool developers (like, those in the React / NodeJS class in terms of user base size) have abused this good intent.

Software can still be developed iteratively. That's not the problem. With CMake, for example, I don't 'fear' upgrades, because that team values the idea of 'finished' software. As does Microsoft.

On the other hand, the NPM and Apple dev teams do not cherish this idea. And in turn, both their user and developer communities suffer in the long run.

That's how I've come to see it recently.


Microsoft will bend over backwards to maintain compatibility but at a huge cost to themselves. Can you imagine trying to fix a bug or vulnerability in some thirty year old Windows code without breaking anything. It must be like wading through treacle.


Yeah, but to be honest it is worth the cost because it benefits them in the long term. This sends a good signal to potential partner/investors (as in software developer/companies) that it is worth investing your time/ressources into the platform because you can expect things to stay stable enough to create a vision/roadmap/future. In the case of Apple, your software better make money in the next 3 years because after that you can expect to rewrite a lot of it, if said software is still possible at all... There is not a lot of 3D software on macOS (especially CADs), but you cannot blame the devs. Mac were already pretty anemics when it came to GPU power but if you had an OpenGL codebase you would now need to rewrite it all to metal even though it can only work on an OS with one of the smallest market share.


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